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not to raise taxes. that promise, that pledge, the brain child of anti-tax activist grover norquist, a long-time power broker in the gop. but the vote faced its first test last week when senator saxby chambliss said he was ready to break the promise. congressman king -- now senator lindsey graham has become the latest republican to say he would violate the pledge if democrats also showed willingness to rein in the nation's debt. >> i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country. only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >>> >> let's bring in cnn political editor paul steinhauser. three republican lawmakers. it's not exactly a rebellion, right? >> not a rebellion yet. grover norquist, carol, was on cnn on "starting point" just an hour ago. he said you know what? if any of these lawmakers do make the pledge they have explaining to do to their voters. take a listen. >> if you want to go to your voters and say i promised you this and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don'
. this pledge, this grover norquist pledge, how important is it to the republican party? >> i think it's very important. >> do you think it's important for people who signed the pledge to keep it? >> i think it's important to remember the problem we have which is a spending problem and, frankly, i think we look at it in terms of any family. if your family is going into debt, the first thing you do is say, hey, dad, get a second is job and raise more revenue. you look at the family budget and say how do we cut? where do we get back? once that's done, we are still a little short to pay down the debt, how can we bring in more revenue? so i think before -- for a lot of these members of congress who have committed to saying the problem is spending, we need to reform our out-of-control entitlements, that's where the focus should be. >> the base of the democratic party going to allow the president some leeway on this? >> we need to have everything on the table. let's be clear. >> social security? >> s ocial security is not contributing to the current debt or the deficit. social security is something
, to be honest. they've got to dress this up. people like grover norquist. in the end they are not going to vote for a tax rise. technically they will be voting for a tax cut because the rates will expire, that means that taxes go up so they can all go and campaign and to rush limbaugh i voted for a tax cut, not a tax rise. it just so happened that taxes went up at the same time. >> let me ask ben this. you spent a lot of time looking at the sort of texture of the political boundaries on these parties, right. and -- >> is this a thanksgiving metaphor? >> it is. it's a stuffing metaphor. richard's talking about what would strike most political observers as a gimmick. wait a week and don't get to call it a hike. there's a movement we've talked about on "now" before, that says that grover norquist is yesterday's it news, he's out of date and you had some house republicans say they're willing to break with him without a gimmick. do you think there's any districts where republicans can actually benefit by saying, i'm going to do something bigger than grover norquist? my boss is the constituents and n
of the fiscal cliff deal and? we chambliss has argued grover norquist has no plan to pay down the that. >> i will violate the pledge for the good of the country only if democrats and do entitlement reform really pledge to avoid the grief. melissa: but grover norquist fired back today. >> for the last 20 years they have kept the pledge and however that and the tax issue are very, very powerful. >> they will keep it again? >> so does it still hold weight to? lou dobbs is year. >> he says it is very, very powerful and at that he did not say it was powerfully relevant. it seems the republican party should pay attention. the sunday talk show host the content and guest does not materialize. it is an agenda for those talk-show host to pursue the attack is laughable because it is the add-on of organizing four obama. this is silly and grover norquist is engaging and they play their parts in their farce. the choice that has to be made in our current political system, the choice is the politicians will be honest to acknowledge the government cannot continue to grow, it cannot maintain its current size
jersey congressman bill pascrell will be joining us, grover norquist, jamie rubin, dr. hanan ashrawi, will be our guest, peter billingsley from a christmas story, and grinle college hoops star jack taylor. remember him? big game he had the other day. and the one and only tony bennett, monday, november 26th. welcome, everybody, "starting point" this morning. is that a hint of compromise in the air on capitol hill? 35 days left till we reach the fiscal cliff. and a couple of key republicans are now suggesting that they're willing to forego their no tax pledge to try to get a budget deal done and avoid massive tax hikes, and spending cuts that will come in the new year. brand-new cnn/orc poll shows that is, in fact, affecting the american people. 68% say they believe falling off the fiscal cliff could trigger major problems for the country, maybe even a crisis. brings us to dan lothian at the white house this morning. dan, good morning. senate goes back to work this afternoon. the house will return tomorrow. what could really be done by lame duck congress? >> well, look, the hope is tha
's going to have to be some changes to entitlement reform. but grover norquist has been really the person pushing this no tax pledge, has been on our airwaves. he's been talking a lot about it. let's hear what he had to say about republicans who might break the pledge. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and as we've heard from a lot of economists, if congress can't fix this, then we're in a lot of trouble. we can be heading back into recession. >> mark preston live in washington, d.c. thank you for that. s
d.c. journal the hill." let's do a little refresher. who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another area. after seeing republicans break, where they're saying, listen, we're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we w
, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled
're all getting this refresher course on grover norquist, though i was talking to john avalon yesterday and he said don't -- message to republicans, don't fear the grover. we know norquist is a lobbyist for years, he prevailed upon republicans, not signing -- not raising taxes by signing this pledge. no revenues whatsoever. moments ago, democrat chuck schume wear was on the senate f bidding grover norquist good riddance. watch this. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too premature. grover norquist has become a convenient boogie man, merely because we have maybe hit a tipping point on tax increases and voters are starting to accept the idea that taxes have to
spearheaded by grover norquist. it's proving to be a more complicated position for house gop leaders including eric cantor who gave this answer when asked about norquist's pledge earlier today on morning joe. >> when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to sa solve problems. >> joining me now is. >> domenico montanro. the statement that eric cantor saenlt september to us or his office sent to us, they're still not for tax rates going up. they're okay. the difference is if you're going to be for revenue, the norquist pledge says that you have to have equal tax cuts to offset, that in other words, keep government like norquist likes to say in the bathtub. he doesn't like it to get too big. i think in that way you might see some republicans violate that pledge but i think it's a muj harder pledge to get them to agree to an increase in tax increases like the president wants. >> you guys in the first read team, political team at msnbc point out that it would allow effective tax rates to rise for the wealthy without raising the tax
. that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. >> when i go to the constituents that have reelected me, it is not about that pledge. >> eric cantor, the majority leader in the house of representatives. joining us now, kevin mccarthy, the majority whip, the number three republican leader in the house of representatives. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> are you ready to jump on that bandwagon and violate that grover norquist pledge? >> i think what the american people want is to see the problem solved. what we have, we spend more than $1 trillion more than we bring in every year. we have to solve that problem
republicans. a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping f
step forward. >> of course there's grover norquist. they say he is losing his grip and calling him a has-been. is he still relevant? >> he is relevant and will be relevant. you see where the president wanted his mandate to sort of use his approach, that some republicans are signaling that they are not going to be aligned so closely, senator chambliss said i love my country more than grover norquist. some will not sign this no tax pledge. so there is some sense maybe his influence will wane a little bit. i think he'll be an influential player down the road. >> i'm sorry to cut this short. i want to thank you for your time nonetheless. we will see you guys again. thank you. >> thank you. >>> still ahead, this partisan rush. what is the outlook for compromise when a majority of states will be under single party control? plus, which toys will be selling like hotcakes? toys 'r' us' ceo is here to break down the big ticket items. ♪ it's so important to make someone happy ♪ when you give a child a toy, it has to work. ♪ make just one someone happy and when it's a toys for tots child
officials, but with someone who in the past sometimes held even more power. his name is grover norquist. he's the head of the group called americans for tax reform. 279 members of the current congress signed that group's pledge not to raise taxes ever. but a few of the signers are now saying the pledge is standing in the way of getting a deal done. georgia senator saxby clam chambliss, lindsey graham and corker of tennessee joined the chorus. this is how grover norquist responded this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge-taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10-1 ratios on entitlement reform. i've had long conversations with lindsey graham, and he would -- he says i would raise taxes if, and then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. and as i suggested, i said senator, you're offer
or not the republicans will move away from the ideologically rigid position which has been the grover/norquist pledge which most of them signed that they will not go for additional revenues. >> reporter: for the first time, even the anti-tax pledge appears to be negotiable. several republicans are indicating they're open to breaking that promise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> reporter: but new revenue doesn't necessarily mean new taxes. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. >> reporter: and democrats say just closing loopholes and cutting deductions isn't enough. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. >> reporter: in any deal, republicans insist on big cuts to entitlement programs like medicare and social security. now taxes are getting all the attention right now but these talks also need to address the federal de
that they signed with the conservative group called americans for tax reform. the group's leader grover norquist is slamming georgia senator saxby chambliss. chambliss says he cares more for his country than the pledge. he says norquist will work against his re-election because of that broken pledge. >>> they are not glued to their smartphones. not yet. baby boomers are becoming more social media savvy. we'll show you how. medicarerx sn from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium in the united states -- only $15 a month. open enrollment ends december 7th. so call today or visit your local walgreens. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. >>> a short while ago in the control room they looked up and saw a remarkable image coming out of south fork. which if you were a fa
this shortened trading session. >>> senator saxby chambliss has signed activist grover norquist famous anti-tax pledge but he says he's ready to talk tax hikes to avoid a fiscal cliff. he said earlier this week, quote, i care more about my country than i do a 20-year-old pledge. if we do it his way, we'll continue in debt and i just have a disagreement with him about that. he's talking about grover. >>> in suburban washington you're taking a look at community leaders, union leaders and perhaps some walmart workers. they're heading toward a walmart store. we believe they made it to a parking lot. as you know, they're protesting salary and health benefits for the workers at walmart. renee marsh is among the protesters, joining us now live. fill us in, renee. >> reporter: good morning, carol. i can tell you that they have finally made their way to the outside of this walmart here. just take a look. you can see how many people are out here. i would estimate it is in the hundreds. and they're all chanting. some of them wearing signs, some of them holding signs that say that the wages just aren't
night. let's take a listen. >> all of those guys who signed pledges for grover norquist, they're still around. i think the tea party was somewhat of a fleeting moment. here one day, gone the next. but those entrenched interests that always want to push more and more of the cost of running society on the people who can least afford it, they haven't gone anywhere. i think it's a good time to start thinking about some protests and some folks calling for a fair deal for the american people. >> steve, do you think this is something that's going to inspire people to make their voices heard like the tea party, there on the other side? i don't know about here today, gone the next? do you think they're really gone or they're here? >> they're absolutely here. they're a major force. if the tea party and fiscal conservatives weren't hammering at the republican leadership boehner would have cut a deal on tax rate. no, these are the opening positions. these are the opening bargaining offers from the two sides. and i think it's still very likely they're going to end up compromising on the tax rate. t
the debt and we got to figure out a way to pay it. >> and of course, that pledge creator, grover norquist, fired back on cnn "the situation room" just yesterday. >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser, so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. >> so alex, the big question is, do you see other leading republicans calling kind of following chambliss' suit? >> i think so, fredricka. a lot of republicans believe elections have consequences, and president obama was pretty clear in the election if he was re-elected, he was going to let the bush tax cuts expire on upper income taxpayers. and most americans seem to agree with him. you know if you ask 99% of the american people if you should raise taxes on the other 1% and not them, i think you can guess what they would do. elections have consequences. t
was designed -- >> reporter: meet the anti-tax enforcer. the man behind the pledge. grover norquist. >> republicans who vote for a tax increase are rat heads in a coke bottle. they damage the brand for everyone else. >> reporter: ronald reagan was part of the first pledge. and no republican has been elected without signing that no tax increase pledge. how many of these things have been signed? >> pledges? >> reporter: yes. >> thousands over the years. >> reporter: he keeps them all on file. here's john boehner's pledge, signed 20 years ago. if somebody signed this 10 years ago, 18 years ago, 20 years ago, are they still bound by it? >> when you got married, did you wife think there was an expiration date on that pledge? >> reporter: he says anybody is doomed. but with the fiscal cliff just months away, and a re-elected barack obama insisting that tax increases must be part of any budget deal, key republicans are now talking about ditching the pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats wil
are attacking grover more gift. grover -- grover norquist. one side is going to win because it's united, highly aggressive and reckless. >> they said they would reform entitlements later -- >> come on ... martha: later? how many things have we said we are going to do later? it's so ridiculous it makes you want to jump over the fiscal cliff. in terms of raising the debt limit again. let me put this out there. the reason for that is they don't want to go through this exercise of talking about spending cuts. >> the other part of what i was going to say many democrats want to reform entitlements as long as it doesn't hurt beneficiaries. if you are going to talk to me about tax raising. we are talking about the bush clauses, the bush taxes which are supposed to end after 9 years because they knew there would be huge deficits after that. >> this is not even serious. everybody agrees taxes are going up. taxes are going up on rich people period. the real question is how are you going to pull back on spending? we have a debt larger than our economy because of spending, specifically medicare spending. th
with the influential anti-tax advocate grover norquist. he has asked them to oppose tax increases and oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions or credits unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates. the republican senatoor chamblis says he has a job to do for the american people, not grover norqui norquist. what's your reaction to this, these are pretty strong words? >>> a little confusing. one, of course the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me, it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he then talks about my plan to increase debt or something. the only plan that i think i've supported is the paul ryan bill, which reduces the deficit, brings down the debt, doesn't raise taxes, and it's a plan that mr. chambliss voted for. so i think they caught im, and he said things that didn't
grover norquist. facing looming tax hikes at the end of the year if they don't act, senator chambliss said, quote, i care more about my country than i do a 20-year-old pledge. if we do it his way then we'll continue in debt and i just have a disagreement with him about that. interesting. >>> want to give back this holiday season? more than 30,000 airline tickets have been given to service members and their families as part of what's called the hero miles program. launched by the fisher house foundation, it allows people to donate their frequent flyer miles to wounded, injured and sick military service members and their families. now there's a new opportunity to do the same with hotel points. joining us now from baltimore to tell us more about the hotels for heroes program are dave coker and senator ben cardin of maryland who helped to pass legislation for this. let me talk to you first, mr. co coker. first of all, great to see you again this year. tell me a little bit about this new program with the hotel points. how does it work? >> well, at the heart of what fisher house does, we ha
pick up on that because we've seen a few republicans peeling off from a pledge they signed to grover norquist who, of course, is an anti-tax lobbyist works has been very powerful among conservatives. is that a significant move when you start seeing senators like lindsey grak, sacxby chambliss saying i'm not going to stick to the deal. >> reporter: i'll be waiting to see if house republicans do it. all the areas where republicans are softening. it's senate republicans. if the deal could be cut between senate republicans and the white house, we wouldn't be talking about this, wouldn't have a segment because the fiscal cliff wouldn't be an issue. the house republicans have to worry about primaries and that's the problem for the white house and frankly for house speaker john boehner. he may want to cut a deal but may not have the votes because these guys might be on a primary suicide mission, some of these house republicans, if they side with raising tax rates. if they raise taxes they will lose the primary and there's no general election, they don't have to where he about voters. >> are
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